Ladder and League relocation issues
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:08 am
Finally, StepNRazor is back and LordBrazen has already the code of our kali ladder.
So there is hope that we will see the Ladder and League hosted by LB soon.
We should use this thread to discuss several proposals about new ladder features. Further, we should inform LB about the current bugs.
I am aware of the following issues:
1) Website-Bugs
Current ladder site works only with InternetExplorer at moment. For example, the links at the top (Main Ladder and Game History here: http://www.pixelexiq.com/moo2/ladder/de ... ?sort=Rank ) don’t work when you use Firefox, Opera etc. So you are just able to report games with the internet explorer.
2) Seb79 issue
Seb has played 38 games at moment and he has still just an elo estimate. Actually, you should get a full elo after 20 games. When Seb79 played his 20th game he actually had a full elo. But some games were double entries and marius removed them. So Seb lost his full elo (Marius probably downgraded his elo manually) and when seb played again his 20th game he did not regain his elo.
How to fix this problem?
Just upgrading his current elo estimate to a full elo? I assume that LB could easily do this.
Or should LB try to rate seb's last 18 games. (Opponent's elo's are not changed when they play against elo estimates.) Seb and his opponents should discuss it here.
3) K factor
PK would like to see more volatile elos. It is easy to achieve this by increasing the K factor (current value is 16). (I looked at the code and it seems we have to change just 1 value in the ladderroutines.asp)
So what K-Value should we choose? Voting?
Here is some background info about this K factor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELO_rating ... e_K-factor
4) Inactive Players
PK would like to see a ranking based on elo. But actually, besides our ladder ranking there is also the option to rank the ladder players according to their elo in our current ladder. Though, there are some inactive players at moment at the top and it seems illusionary that some of the active players will ever reach them. AlexD and me proposed that inactive players should lose their full elo. It should be downgraded to an estimate. When they play again they regain their full elo immediately. This is common in chess and go ratings and would give current ladder players the possibility to reach the top position in this ranking.
Counter proposals? I hope not . We should discuss the period of inactivity which should cause such a downgrade then. 2 months, 3 months , 6 months? Which period is appropriate? Voting?
5) Feel free to add proposals here.
So there is hope that we will see the Ladder and League hosted by LB soon.
We should use this thread to discuss several proposals about new ladder features. Further, we should inform LB about the current bugs.
I am aware of the following issues:
1) Website-Bugs
Current ladder site works only with InternetExplorer at moment. For example, the links at the top (Main Ladder and Game History here: http://www.pixelexiq.com/moo2/ladder/de ... ?sort=Rank ) don’t work when you use Firefox, Opera etc. So you are just able to report games with the internet explorer.
2) Seb79 issue
Seb has played 38 games at moment and he has still just an elo estimate. Actually, you should get a full elo after 20 games. When Seb79 played his 20th game he actually had a full elo. But some games were double entries and marius removed them. So Seb lost his full elo (Marius probably downgraded his elo manually) and when seb played again his 20th game he did not regain his elo.
How to fix this problem?
Just upgrading his current elo estimate to a full elo? I assume that LB could easily do this.
Or should LB try to rate seb's last 18 games. (Opponent's elo's are not changed when they play against elo estimates.) Seb and his opponents should discuss it here.
3) K factor
PK would like to see more volatile elos. It is easy to achieve this by increasing the K factor (current value is 16). (I looked at the code and it seems we have to change just 1 value in the ladderroutines.asp)
So what K-Value should we choose? Voting?
Here is some background info about this K factor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELO_rating ... e_K-factor
4) Inactive Players
PK would like to see a ranking based on elo. But actually, besides our ladder ranking there is also the option to rank the ladder players according to their elo in our current ladder. Though, there are some inactive players at moment at the top and it seems illusionary that some of the active players will ever reach them. AlexD and me proposed that inactive players should lose their full elo. It should be downgraded to an estimate. When they play again they regain their full elo immediately. This is common in chess and go ratings and would give current ladder players the possibility to reach the top position in this ranking.
Counter proposals? I hope not . We should discuss the period of inactivity which should cause such a downgrade then. 2 months, 3 months , 6 months? Which period is appropriate? Voting?
5) Feel free to add proposals here.